tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29640480.post2482664394907377632..comments2024-03-21T18:54:06.548-07:00Comments on Old Enough to Know Better: Failure to Communicate, Part IISteve Perryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12079658447270792228noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29640480.post-21810259666990676532008-03-26T20:08:00.000-07:002008-03-26T20:08:00.000-07:00Speech allows immediate back-and-forth and a layer...Speech allows immediate back-and-forth and a layer of emotional communication that the traditional text mode does not. ("traditional text mode" because text messaging and chatrooms are closer to speech that way)<BR/><BR/>I write a letter. <BR/>It's all there in one stark lump. You right a letter back. <BR/>Ditto.<BR/><BR/>With speech I say something and don't get two hundred words into it before noticing how you're reacting either because you say something with your mouth or your body. There's room for a lot of small corrections and modifications of the message in response to the personal situation.Dan Gambierahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04172075070150854447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29640480.post-61834443338281775312008-03-26T16:08:00.000-07:002008-03-26T16:08:00.000-07:00Fair enough -- among people who can write, the pro...Fair enough -- among people who can write, the problem's usually not due to misunderstanding, but to a lack of softening ... IMO, YMMV.<BR/>I grant you, people who can't write have a different set of issues communicating online.<BR/><BR/>I'm nearly done w/Dreadnaught. I like it quite a bit.Daniel Keys Moranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12992599044462413412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29640480.post-76898720298356816212008-03-26T12:43:00.000-07:002008-03-26T12:43:00.000-07:00Exact and inexact aren't the big factors, I don't ...Exact and inexact aren't the big factors, I don't think, Dan.<BR/>The limit on the form is both -- too sharp, too fuzzy. The point is that words on paper don't allow as much useful communication as personal contact. <BR/><BR/>Most of the time, among non-writers, I've found it to be fuzzy -- they tend not to be so anally-retentive about terms and definitions -- "hopefully" does not mean "I hope," -- and what I'm thinking when I hear somebody say "red" isn't always the same as what they say when they speak of that color.<BR/><BR/>All forms of communication have limits; the more tools you can bring to bear, the better the possibility of achieving clarity. Listen to a writer who is a good public speaker read a story s/he wrote, and you get a much different experience than reading it yourself, even though the words are the same.Steve Perryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12079658447270792228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29640480.post-71383164667483089752008-03-26T12:36:00.000-07:002008-03-26T12:36:00.000-07:00Don't make me hurt you, Kid. I have that picture o...Don't make me hurt you, Kid. I have that picture of you and the donkey ...Steve Perryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12079658447270792228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29640480.post-67735028969261939962008-03-26T06:17:00.000-07:002008-03-26T06:17:00.000-07:00Dan wrote: I think in most cases text is too clear...Dan wrote: <I>I think in most cases text is too clear </I><BR/><BR/>I think your example is poorly chosen, then; the plain text isn't clear about the entire communication, since some of the communication is taking place in vocal tone, expression, and physical touch. It's much harder to incorporate that part of the communication in text, and therefore text is limited, not more clear.Kai Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13319136737099550784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29640480.post-76651654377338235102008-03-26T01:12:00.000-07:002008-03-26T01:12:00.000-07:00Don't be so negative about the sun... we'll get hi...Don't be so negative about the sun... <BR/><BR/><BR/>we'll get hit by something big first...<BR/><BR/>of course that will be enlightenment...<BR/><BR/><BR/>then a big rock.Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16441344447548078615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29640480.post-7511822363438812862008-03-25T23:18:00.000-07:002008-03-25T23:18:00.000-07:00>"I believe that statement might conceivably apply...>"I believe that statement might conceivably apply to both of us."<<BR/><BR/>You honestly think the world will last long enough?<BR/><BR/>You know our daystar is scheduled to go supernova in about 5 billion years. Call me skeptical...Bobbe Edmondshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14346040017021718774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29640480.post-67810845396724364302008-03-25T22:36:00.000-07:002008-03-25T22:36:00.000-07:00Interestingly enough -- there's a long-term percep...Interestingly enough -- there's a long-term perception that text is limiting, that it doesn't communicate well enough, and that this is a big chunk of what causes misunderstandings online.<BR/><BR/>I think that's a minor factor. I think in most cases text is too clear -- it lays out disagreements in stark fashion, without the softening that comes through in person. "I think that your support of X is shameful" is crystal clear and impossible to misunderstand -- but coming from a friend who's saying it in a gentle tone, patting you on the arm, maintaining eye contact, hurrying up with "But I love you despite your stupidity" when he sees the dismay in your expression ... all that's missing online.<BR/><BR/>Clarity is the cause of more disagreements online than lack of clarity, in my experience.Daniel Keys Moranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12992599044462413412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29640480.post-69550191476453539522008-03-25T20:40:00.000-07:002008-03-25T20:40:00.000-07:00You talked about the Presidential platforms?You talked about the Presidential platforms?Dan Gambierahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04172075070150854447noreply@blogger.com